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Bill
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« on: February 03, 2008, 10:53:57 AM »

There are a lot of folks in Maine with fixed income. What can we all do to help? I am just looking for ideas?Huh??
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 07:50:44 PM »

Hi Bill, That is a pretty tough nut to crack and I am sure it has been debated by many people throughout the years but probably more often now that oil has gone insane. I don't know what any one person or company could do to effectively address this problem. The way I see it, alot of the homes in Maine were built long before wood or oil or just energy in general became such an expensive commodity. Now, with prices hitting new highs daily, these old, uninsulated houses are money pits for heating dollars. Short of rebuilding or refurbishing every old breezy house in Maine (which anyone on a fixed income could not afford) cheap heat is the only remaining solution. Shutting off unused rooms or floors is one easy and cheap money saver. Putting up plastic sheeting over windows and around the foundation (banking) is another low cost saver. Many people have let their heating plants age and nothing can chew oil like a burner running at say 65% efficiency. New burners are great but, they cost alot of money and you are still linked to the middle east and the black gold. Just a few years ago, wood was the answer, as I am sure it still is to people that have access to cheap wood and the labor to process it. Now, wood is becoming pricey. I have seen 200 a cord seasoned. Insane.  Angry
Face it, everyone is on a fixed income to some degree. When the gas prices rise, I don't know of anyone off hand that goes in and demands a raise to offset this cost. Would be nice huh?

Energy assistance is a temporary fix. Just as this stupid rebate is that GW is proposing to help the economy out of the recession. We need to use energy more wisely or it just going to cost much much more. Sorry Bill, I don't have a solution. It can't come from the government. No money there and once again, just a temporary fix. Alternate fuels are great but cost inhibitive for low income families to make the switch. Hibernation?   Just kidding. I wish I had an answer.

Long winded post I know, but the question, as I said in the beginning, is a tough nut to crack in this day and age. Sad
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2008, 04:29:17 AM »

Is it possible you started to crack the nut. So what you are saying is we need to get together and help folks move into just a couple of rooms for the winter. The same group could help with winterization such as plastic on the windows. Insulation is the key, but you are right we can't insulate every low income house in Maine. Some blankets and plastic and a few volunteers could go a long ways. If you buy them oil, they will still need oil next year. I you help them winterize they may have some oil left over. Also most old houses have some kind of alternative heat hidden away in a basement some where. We could help them get it up and running. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 04:54:09 AM »

 :othis goes along the lines of "Give them a fish- and you'll always have to feed them-"Teach them to fish- and they can do it themselves"..? although I agree theres plenty in the population- the elderly-the handicapped..etc, that never will be able to- and will need our help. That I can understand.I also know there are plenty of people out there every day- that are in reasonable good health-but mentally they can't wrap their brains around self sufficient-? My case being the last 2 men I spoke to the other day-complaining about prices and the ecomomy and whats happening in general.I told them what we're doing with the solar collectors,drew them a basic diagram-cost.I told them- sorry- but I'm never one to just sit back and woe about everything-I'm alot more proactive.I cant imagine sitting in a chair rubbing my head over this economy when I could be doing something about it-even if its wrong-eventually I'll hit upon something that's right. For all the time it takes to complain,,something could be built...I know that both men have the handyman talent-and at least one of them has enough income to do something like that. people get stuck mentally...or just give up saying theres nothing they can do...? I say poop...-but thats also another topic for heating...
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 01:34:21 AM »

A group has been formed called "MABEC". It's for the contractors across the state who deal with energy applications-efficiency. It aims to finally help the middle income population of Maine, as we rarely get anywhere,not qualifying for any help. Its been briefly discussed on the news.Their in the beginning stages,Jim went to a meeting in Portland last night, as his office is involved. It's about insulating, having energy audits done,and in general making our homes more energy efficient.They are hoping to have coupons on dollars off,if you insulate-their still hammering out all the details etc,and I'm sure it'll be just more than just insulation. We've {Maine} got 9 million $$ for this program to help,I just would like to see it not get lost on just adminstration costs, and hope it does some good.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:05 AM »

That sounds good. I've got a few things I could use. Keep us updated.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 06:53:12 AM »

MABEP has been following the energy efficiency stuff the fed and state has been working on. They're a new trade association I helped incorporate last summer, but they're still getting their act together. So far they haven't come out with a lot that the public can use, except for the following classes being provided for free in Portland in conjunction with the Maine Indoor Air Quality Council. If you're serious about learning how to weatherize yours or others' homes, this is a great opportunity.

January 29, 2010: Keeping Foundation Warm and Dry
February 12, 2010: The Building Shell
March 5, 2010:  Ventilating New & Existing Homes
Info and signup: http://www.efficiencypros.org/meetings.html

If you need a good do-it-yourself guide to follow, there's one on the Energy Star site. I do wish that it gave a bit more info on what gives the best bang for the buck and more on maintaining air quality. It's a nice tool to make yourself an improvement checklist.
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=diy.diy_index

The energy professionals in MABEP comprise of many different types of energy auditors, insulators, suppliers, architects, alternative energy providers and government people. We now have 160 members, mostly from the southern part of the state. The clients of these people are mainly the well-to-do and CAP agencies on behalf of the low-income folks. We have some very smart people in this organization, and it's my hope that more people from around the state will get involved.

Mission: http://www.efficiencypros.org/mission-statement.html
Join: http://www.efficiencypros.org/join.html

Initially, we were excited about the 9M federal grant that dbjc describes, as it isn't contingent on income guidelines. Once I got into the guts of the program, it turned out to be less exciting. A big chunk of that went to administration, and farmed out to a call center run by some friends of the state government -- actually the people that work for them are bill collectors doubling duty as incoming call takers. The contract for the program was won by Consolidated Services Group (CSG) that runs similar programs in 22 states. They are working in Maine under the name Maine Home Performance.

The program offers up to $3,000 in assistance, but there's a big catch -- the end result must save the homeowners 25%. For many, that will mean an additional outlay from their own pocket in thousands of dollars in order to meet that savings goal. Basically the theory is that once you button up a house tight enough, you need to provide positive ventilation (read this as buy an expensive air exchanger) in order to keep air quality in your house up and mold down.

Please don't let my negativity on this program discourage you from checking it out if you think you might benefit from it. There will be some households that will qualify and be helped a great deal from it. See: http://www.efficiencymaine.com/residential_programs_mhp.htm

For low income, the state is receiving $42 million in stimulus money -- that is, it's a one-time deal. I don't have the details about that other than it will be administered by the local CAP programs (like KVCAP and Penquis).

Help for low-income that don't mind the government red tape:
http://www.mainehousing.org/ENERGYPrograms.aspx?oProgramCategory=4
http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/me/  (see bottom of page)

I do like the grassroots approach you folks have been describing above a lot, and these things will likely not be answered fully by the government or trade associations like MABEP. There's also some good local community efforts, like the subsidized energy audits that were done in Dexter. See: http://www.dextermaine.org/energycommittee/index.html
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